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Today’s Bisexual Thoughts: “International Incidents”

22 Nov

Living here in the US often has me writing about male bisexuality and based upon the moral and social norms here so I realized that I’ve been a bit remiss to say a few syllables about this in the other countries I’ve been to in my travels and the things I can read written by male bisexuals who don’t live here.

The first thing that stands out is that a lot of countries are either a lot more relaxed about such things or “extreme” in their resistance to anything that looks like homosexuality. I’ve been to the UK, Canada and even Japan and, well, let’s just say that I came into contact with bisexual men in these countries, you know, to be nice about it for a change. Having said that, the one thing that I take note of is that if we here in the US think that bisexuality is some kind of “sky falling” thing, it pales in comparison to what other bisexuals in other countries have to deal with. I get to see what bisexual men in African countries are saying about things where they live and much of it ain’t pretty given the level of violence against bisexuals and having to live under the threat of death or other severe punishment for not being straight…

And it gives me chills and, without offence, makes me glad that I live here. Like us, a lot of countries are making a push to get and make male bisexuality – and bisexuality on the whole – acceptable but it seems to me that they have more of an uphill battle than we do and it does, I think, speak to why a lot of bisexuals who live in repressive countries are immigrating to the US since, we might be fussing and fighting about all of this but, um, you’re not going to be subject to the death penalty just because you’re not straight and not likely to experience the level of violence I’ve been reading about and especially in those places we consider to be “third world” countries and those who are subject to Sharia law which I don’t pretend to really understand but I’ve heard some stuff about it that gives me chills, too.

Bisexuality isn’t an issue here at home: It’s a global issue and the devil is in the details involved in those places outside of the US. It does suffice to say that in some place, eh, it’s not “that big of a deal” while in others, it is very much a big deal and more so when there’s a lack of… social services that we here in the US kinda/sorta take for granted, like the LGBTQ+ community being “large and in charge” here as they lead the fight for sexuality equality but their presence in other countries is minimal at best… and if it exists at all.

Bisexuality advocates here are trying to spread the word about what our bisexual brothers and sisters are experiencing in those suppressed countries and doing their best to let those who care to listen that this really is a global issue that needs a global resolution and, again, what happens in other countries makes the fussing we’re doing look insignificant and, dare I say, somewhat petty in nature with a lot of finger-pointing and pontificating about our morals and social norms and the evils of domestic violence and rape along with depression and other real or imagined forms of suppression but, again, whew, all of this, while important, just doesn’t hold a candle to being bisexual, say, in an African country, and knowing that if you got caught, you could either wind up in prison for the rest of your life or be summarily executed. There’s a greater chance of experiencing extreme acts of violence as well as being gang-raped and other abuses and the thing that gets me is that all of this… inhumane stuff is all because of a global belief in some stuff that I keep saying doesn’t want to tell the whole story about the sexual nature of humans.

Like, I saw a documentary about the ladyboys in Thailand and what they have to go through to be the person they want and need to be and some of it wasn’t pretty but they’ve made a few inroads to greater acceptance because there are a lot of ladyboys and they are getting together to fight against the suppression and, I’d say, “overloading the system” to the point where officials are in over their heads trying to do anything to stop ladyboys being… ladyboys. I’ve read a lot about the Brazilian version and they’re a lot more “famous” than their Thai counterparts and they have no problems flaunting their appearance or sexuality; Japan, who has always been “funny” about sex doesn’t seem to give citizens who aren’t straight that much grief and if they are, they’re not talking about it all that much but that doesn’t surprise me given their centuries-long privacy about a great many things even with having fun with Western influences (read that as the US “teaching them bad habits but not in bad ways all that much).

Here at home, bisexuality – and especially male bisexuality – is seen as a tremendous moral issue but, eh, yeah, not all that surprising given what our moral beliefs are and where they stem from. We’re the bad guys plain and simple and, depending on who you’re talking to, a clear and present danger not only to our fragile and crumbling morality but to everyone around us. Bisexual women are either being vilified or victimized in unsavory ways and none of this is right but, again, in other and more “extreme” countries?

I remember my first trip to Jamaica and my lady seeing fit to warn me not to “be bisexual” given how infamously homophobic Jamaican are. Of course, I’ve heard about this and probably like a lot of people have but the truth about this is that, sure, a lot of Jamaicans are homophobic… but not all of them are since, um, there are Jamaican bisexuals and a lot of them are male. Hmm. I don’t and didn’t see this as being all that different from that thing I heard about all Blacks being homophobic and, well, I know that’s a lie and for obvious reasons. In these things, we’d rather believe the stereotype and being made fearful of that “reputation” rather than to see the truth: There are bisexuals everywhere and even in countries who aren’t all that much in touch with the rest of the world given how isolated they may be but, yeah, if they’re that isolated and out of touch, there’s not a whole lot we know about them specifically and what information we may have is miniscule at best.

Still, the main point is that bisexuality – and male bisexuality – is very much a globally human thing. I had been reading about the uptick in women being raped in parts of India and one article that suggested that the uptick was taking place because of cultural and religious restriction on men having sex with each other and with some pretty nasty punishments for those who get caught or otherwise outed. I know that Cityman and I talk about this aspect a lot in that these crimes against women could be very much lessened if society-at-large wasn’t so pissy about us – men – doing each other without fear of reprisal and other prejudices. All of this aside, what is to be noted and taken as a given that even in those repressed countries, men are very much having sex with each other which, in the more undeveloped countries has given rise and reason for us here in the US to be slamming down the disease card and not without justification.

We bitch and moan and cower over this aspect but the big difference between us and some other countries is that we have access to better medicines to combat STDs and HIV/AIDS. As such – and as we’re prone to do – we emphasis this aspect of global bisexuality as a reason for people to not be bisexual and with the assumption that if one bisexual gets infected and infects someone else, all male bisexuals are going to infect someone and by some very weird default and, no, I am seriously not joking about this peculiar mindset because I’ve seen it way too much and you just can’t make this up; I have a great imagination but it ain’t that great or good.

The global battle is fierce; the resistance to bisexuality is great but moral and social norms are being overwhelmed and overrun by the sheer number of bisexuals who, despite all the bitching and moaning, are being bisexual nonetheless and it’s like I been saying over the last couple of days: Human nature always seems to trump the rules of man; don’t be anything but straight is all well and good and if it works for you, fine… but it doesn’t work for everyone and needs always musts even if it means taking some “risks” to see to those needs which, really, ain’t all that different from having sex – period.

The awareness must be universal; the push for acceptance must be universal and uniform; we should not “take care of home” and then tell the others who are suffering great suppression and oppression that their problems ain’t our problems – we fixed ours so now get your own house in order… and even though bisexuals everywhere “live” in the same house.

Ideally, we should take a more expansive view about men having sex with each other as well as working toward getting rid our rather prudish beliefs about sex in general. The reality says we’re not like that even here in the US and, I think, more unlike that because of our belief that men are supposed to only be a certain way but glossing over our inherent need for sex to begin with.

We will eventually get this squared away but “eventually” does nothing for the immediate need for global bisexuality – and male bisexuality – to be the crime against nature that everyone believes it to be. Oh, and it’s not going to stop guys anywhere in the world from doing what they gotta do in this and the unspoken “hope” is that it’s done as responsibly as possible and with whatever means are available.

 
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27 responses to “Today’s Bisexual Thoughts: “International Incidents”

  1. Marlapaige

    22 November 2021 at 20:06

    “crimes against women could be very much lessened if society-at-large wasn’t so pissy about us – men – doing each other without fear of reprisal and other prejudices.”

    I think a small portion of the violence that takes place may be because bisexuality is criminalized, but I think a good deal more of it has nothing to do with men being sexually satisfied. Rape is rarely as a result of physical need and is typically more of a power struggle move. To keep women from being equal to them at least in their heads.

    The truth is, the two go together: women being subjected to brutality just because they are women, and men being subjected to brutality just because they’re not 100% straight. But I don’t like the idea of thinking that many of the rapists are just oppressed bisexuals. Legalizing (or at least decriminalizing) bisexuality will not reduce these violent acts. As long as the power structure has the rotten apples higher than others, the violence against both groups remains very real.

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    • kdaddy23

      22 November 2021 at 21:52

      Certainly, it’s not the whole explanation but the person who wrote that was speaking – and likely – about the situation in parts of India which, of course, has no real bearing or metric here in the US. The sexual violence against bi men and women is another global problem to be resolved… but I don’t think it will as long as there are those who believe religion is right and such sinners must be punished via extreme violence.

      It’s not legalizing like weed; it’s about accepting that being bi is just as part of the human sexual condition as being straight or gay is and then not being all medieval and standoffish about it which, um, right – that’ll happen next week. As such, even with more global acceptance, there will always be that one person or group who won’t accept it and think they’re doing God’s work by meting out violence.

      Most of us look at our own local issues when we need to look… wider. Solve it for one, solve it for all. Nice stuff like that.

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      • Marlapaige

        22 November 2021 at 22:47

        I have family in India. It’s…horrible. The violence is exceptional. To the point where you can’t take public transport as a woman. I’m the middle of a crowded train and no one will help, they’ll just step over the victim.

        To be honest, I truly disagree with the article about stifling a persons bisexuality or homosexuality creates this situation. This is my personal opinion, of course.

        I believe those people are equally victimized by this systemic bullshit (sorry, brain Fritzed on a better word). I do not think changing a cultural perspective on sexuality will reduce violence against women. Nor do I think that violence against women should be the banner in which others try to get change for themselves.

        I think these are two unrelated things that the author was trying to pull together to make it more palatable to a wider audience because too many individual topics would overwhelm and people would stop reading.

        The issue is not that men are not allowed to have sex with who they want. It is not about the issue that women are forced to have sex with people they don’t want to. It has to do with the fact that too many people are willing to accept violence against their brothers and sisters for nothing other than some big wig said that it’s ok. I’m not even really talking about religion as most of them say NOT to hurt your neighbors. I’m talking about politics.

        People expect politics to align with their religious beliefs, no matter how distorted those beliefs are. No matter how much of it does not actually come from your religion but just preached hatred.

        Laws need to reflect the citizenship. Not the beliefs of the majority, or the minority, or everyone in between. Beliefs are handled in houses of worship. If you “believe” that women should be subservient to men, then you go to your house of worship and marry a woman who agrees with you. But your government should look at the population and say 49% of our citizens are women, and it’s beneficial to our country that our population is educated. Not some monsters with guns shooting kids in the face being the ones that are heard, but that little girl who wanted to learn being allowed to by the laws that govern that country.

        Same thing with sexuality. Id the only reason something is punishable by death is because of a religion, then don’t let people with that sexuality pray in your house of worship. Don’t let them get married there. But they are a citizen of the country. The country should have the best interest of the citizens at heart and in its policies.

        I know that’s completely idealistic. But it is the way it should be. But instead of aiming to fix it, people spend a lot of time drawing nonsensical comparisons. Not being permitted to be bisexual increases rape. Or if you’re allowed to be bisexual the Deity from above will kill all pure babies. Or if you permit bisexuality or homosexuality, people will be allowed to have sex with sheep. Oh, and then, obviously, be allowed to marry them.

        Actually, the two things that I see right now is that people care about the sheep’s ability to consent more than a woman’s, and that every bad thing that has ever happened to man, woman, child or sheep is directly as a result of bisexual men.

        That’s a disservice to both bisexual men and women. Especially the men. Being bisexual does NOT mean you’re going to marry a sheep any more than it means your suddenly a rapist.

        I think that’s why the comparison got to me so badly. It legit made me think that by not letting men have sex with other men, they suddenly become cruel and aggressive and take it out on the only group in those countries that are weaker than they are that are not children. I know a lot of bisexual men, and I can honestly say that out of all of the ones I know, they don’t become rapists just because they were told no. They bend, twist, contort to fit the expectations of their culture over their own desires. To me, that is not the psychiatric profile of someone who suddenly decides that serial raping is a better alternative. If they were willing to do that, they would just find a guy and get their fix.

        I dunno why. This just made me a little annoyed. Maybe it’s because I recently saw a similar article and instead of condemning the governments for making these things punishable by death, or even crying out about the rapes, they tried to tie it all together with the worlds most unrealistically thin string. It was kinda like “let me name as many bad things that happen in the world in one article and say they are somehow all related”. It felt lazy to me. Crimes against bisexual and homosexual men do not need to be bolstered by crimes against women, they are equally atrocious and completely separate. Throwing a bunch of shit together to see what sticks actually isn’t a conversation to an end, it’s a mush mash of bullshit. In the end, it’s just a pointless article with a list of horrors. No solutions. No suggestions. No actual talking points. No group important enough to be the point, no group important enough to even warrant their own paragraph. Every group is equally important and every group should be able to be represented and not stoned to death based on a “law” written several thousand years ago. If these governments want tech contracts, and they’re willing to update their infrastructure to permit SEZ Zones, then they should upgrade their laws regarding the people that live and work inside their borders.

        Ugh. Sorry. The article I read made me steamed. I don’t know if it was the same article as you or just a similar one. But I wanted to punch something hard. Since I live alone I didn’t have anyone to rant to, and then, you kinda wrote about it. Sorry!

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      • kdaddy23

        23 November 2021 at 01:26

        I don’t believe it will, either; that article was written years ago by someone who was very concerned about this and the sexuality laws were mentioned as one of the causes. It said what it said and I doubted it then and now… but I did use the reference to make a point: bisexuality a very global thing and a lot of them are men and there are aspects that we all should be addressing and if it solves or minimizes other problems, good.

        Systemic and senseless violence is a different kettle of fish (and smelly fish at that). I see enough of that where I live.

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      • Marlapaige

        23 November 2021 at 19:52

        Luckily, there’s nothing too bad around me. Mostly just stupid kids doing stupid stuff. Nothing outrageous.

        Well, not in my town, I should say. Or the three on each side. But in one town in my county there’s a lot. Haven’t heard much recently, but I also haven’t been looking.

        It would be great if we could address all of the global issues, not as one big ball of stuff or as completely unique aspects of human civilization but holistically. Does one group being marginalized lead to violence on other marginalized groups, possibly. But rarely from one marginalized group to the next. The ones who are doing the marginalizing are getting stronger and more impervious to punishment. I think if everyone were addressed equally, with having the same weight as the next (1 person 1 vote v 1 person’s religion supersedes the entire population), so much more would be done!

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      • kdaddy23

        24 November 2021 at 00:06

        Idealistically, yes; it’s not that we don’t know why we should do – it’s that there are too many people who doesn’t want to do what’s right for everyone.

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      • Marlapaige

        24 November 2021 at 21:32

        What baffles me is how these people have the time to want to worry about policing the rest of the population. I barely have time to wake up in the morning! Even people who self-admittedly don’t do anything all day don’t have enough time to do all of this. Some of the busiest people I know don’t do anything all day!

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      • kdaddy23

        24 November 2021 at 22:04

        I honestly don’t know why, Marla… but they do anyway. One person cannot ever hope to police everyone else and those who really try to wind up failing. I have a hard enough time policing myself! And I know too many people who’d rather police themselves and not be policed.

        We know what’s right but this, clearly, isn’t as universal or all encompassing as we’d like it to be. Right is what you say it is. My doctors tell me that it’s not right that I drink coffee… and it hasn’t stopped me from drinking coffee… but I can agree to police myself and not drink a couple of pots a day and like I used to when I was working. I have two cups a day and not the black coffee they say I should drink. Oh, hell, no!

        But the people might who give me grief over how I have and enjoy sex? Lambasting me with their holy righteousness and assuming the role of God’s sexual police department? Save it for someone who’s gonna believe that because I know better and I decide whether this is right for me or not… and taking my coffee with cream and sugar (never milk or that artificial sweetener crap).

        I don’t worry about the stuff I can’t do anything about and even if I was, it doesn’t mean I can do anything about it. Comparatively speaking, I don’t do “anything” all day in my retirement but what I’m not going to do is try to police anyone other than myself; had enough of that raising and policing my kids and I have better things to do… like get that second cup of coffee. Play video games. Leaving that policing stuff to those who think they know how to do it and they feel justified doing it… and good luck with that. Lemme know how it worked for ya.

        But when it’s time for me to do what’s right, I’m gonna do it and if it’s even possible. I know what I think but I also know that people think differently about what’s right and why it is.

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      • Marlapaige

        24 November 2021 at 22:17

        I agree with everything you said.

        I just still have no idea how they find time. I have the same 24 hours in a day that they do… mine is all used up every day. I don’t have time to runaround caring if Billy Joe is kissing Susie Q or Bobby Ray. Hell, is only care if they broke into my house to do it. And I still wouldn’t care if it was Susie or Bobby, I’d just be furious they broke in. That’s what is my problem – that crappy lock that let the twerps in and the lazy dog that didn’t even bark. What they’re doing is between them and their higher power and hormones. I might hand them a condom on the way out tho.

        I remember there were these older women and a middle aged man that used to picket a planned parenthood near my grade school. I knew what they were doing, I knew what a picket line was and the… images on their signs were pretty self explanatory for the most part. I asked my mom about it and she said “they’re retired” as if that answered everything. I assumed it did. Older people don’t work, so the time they would have spent at work they can now spend in picket lines.

        My aunt retired about three months later. Honestly, I could never get a hold of her. She was NEVER home. I thought maybe she decided to go picket something too so I asked her and she said “I’m retired, not bored out of my mind!” Then she told me what she did. I can’t even type it all here because I would run out of space. From sun up until like 10 pm that woman never sat still.

        I guess she had a point. You also have to be bored out of your mind. That’s the only way you could spend enough time convincing yourself that someone else should live by your rules when you didn’t give birth to them. That’s why you have kids. For 18 years they live by your rules. If you don’t have kids, don’t be tryna raise me. I had a mom and she did a pretty damned good job without your help!

        I just don’t get it. But I’m also tired, quite a bit cranky, ans not in the best mental space to really try to understand people that annoy me. If that makes sense…

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      • kdaddy23

        25 November 2021 at 00:00

        Sigh. There are just people who, if they have the time, feels they need to be all up in everyone’s business and telling them how they ain’t living right or, actually, not living the way they think they should be. Shit, I know some who would make the time if they really didn’t have it… and most of them I went to church with. Okay. The I’m the kind of guy that gives the morally righteous fits. I know it. Kinda get a kick out of it, to be honest. Preaching to me is a waste of your time. My mom could do it… but that was her and even she stopped preaching to me once I turned 50… and I’d stopped listening to it when I was 40. Preached and policed my kids and not a few neighbor’s kids. They grew old enough to know better… and no more policing because I told you and now you gotta find out for yourself… and I know you will.

        If I had a dime for everyone I’ve come across trying to be the morality police or trying to push their sense of rightness on me, I’d have a lot of money. And if they’re retired, jeez – can’t you find someone else to bug or something better to do? Okay, I’m retired. I write about bisexuality. I’m the messenger. Don’t even qualify for the moral cop job; I screwed up my “chance” for that position decades ago and I’m not gonna be a hypocrite and tell others not to do something I’d do without a second thought. “Do as I say, not as I do” got on my last good nerve even though I understood the more deeper meaning: Don’t make them”mistakes” that I’m making. Okay. Gotcha. Did my job pissing my kids off doing that because I had to. If they’re doing as I’m doing, their choice. If it blows up in their face, well, I told you, didn’t it?

        No further preaching or pontification. Minding my bizness and staying out of yours unless you make it my business. Being retired means I can do whatever I want to even if all I want to do is sit on my ass and do lots of nothing… and not trying to police others. Eddie is sleeping with Karen and Bobby at the same time and they all know about it? Good for them. No, I don’t find anything wrong with it even if Karen and Bobby are a couple. Mind your business and stop trying to get me to agree with your moral righteousness… because you definitely got the wrong guy.

        Now, my mom retired and she was rarely at home for a period of time but she got tired of that… and went back to work… and just another form of not being at home. And when I mentioned it to her? She told me politely to mind my own damned business. Retired once and for all die to an on the job injury. Rarely went anywhere. Definitely not of a mind to police anyone but herself.

        Everyone should be like that. Everyone isn’t. I ignore them.

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      • Marlapaige

        25 November 2021 at 00:14

        “and even she stopped preaching to me once I turned 50… and I’d stopped listening to it when I was 40.”

        I’m sorry, this just flat out cracked me up. The way you worded it read a certain way in my head and the tone was just priceless.

        Sorry. I’m gonna finish reading lol

        The rest of the message is how I feel. Oh, I will SO tell you what to do!!!! But only some people in certain circumstances. Like, for example, if I got arrested for hooking up in a park like a dumb teenager, I’d be forced to call one of my sisters to bail me out. OMG! You don’t think I’d have to hear it? If I called my ex, he told me he wouldn’t give me hell about it, he would just bail me and whoever got busted with me out so that he could get all of the details so he can use it in his best man speech to my next husband, whether it’s that guy or not. I’d rather call my father.

        But if my sister got busted for it? Ooooo hell yeah! I’d give that girl a good long lecture! I wouldn’t even mention the fact that she just bailed me out for the same thing not even 20 mins before lol

        But am I really up in her business trying f to tell her what to do or not do? Only a little. Girl, do all of what you’re doing, just don’t be a dumb ass and get arrested by the same damned cop that arrested me earlier!

        As far as your paragraph about Karen bobby and Eddie, umm… I kinda wanna know more! It just sounds like an interesting story even though it isn’t one yet. Do I care about these people? No. Do I have moral objections to what they’re doing? No. Does it sound like a hell of a lot of fun to hear about? Hell yes!

        Im tired and can’t sleep. Sorry!

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      • kdaddy23

        25 November 2021 at 01:37

        Well, it was true. Even more so when she’d be passive-aggressive about it and full of snide remarks or she’d give me that look that I knew said, “I know I taught you better!” And mr return look of, “Yeah, mom, you did – and I’m doing it anyway.”

        Oh, so you’d read me the riot act, huh? Might be fun. If you called me because you got busted having sex in public, I’d bail you out… while laughing my ass off which should tell you that you’re never gonna be able to live this one down… but you’d get props for going for it. It tell you that I’ve done the same thing… but I never got caught doing it.

        Now, my daughter and her husband decided to have an open and poly relationship and they confessed that since I was in that kind of relationship and had been working for years, it sounded like a good idea. The funny part is they tried to hide it from me and got away with it until, one day, I went past their house for something and this woman I didn’t know answered the door wearing something that didn’t leave much for the imagination. I asked who she was and she told me she was their live-in girlfriend. She even “ratted them out” by telling me that when they came to her with the invitation, they mentioned my relationship and she was onboard with it.

        I caught up with them and all I said was, “Oh, I met your girlfriend; she’s cute… but you might want to say something to her about answering the door and giving people an eyeful.”

        I thought they were going to wet themselves! I could see my daughter bracing for some preaching but all I said was, “Have fun with it and don’t fuck it up.” I cared because my daughter was involved but she was grown and I’d have been a hypocrite to tell her to do the right thing.

        Oh, the stories I could tell about the three of them! But their life, their marriage and it was like i told them: Your marriage is only going to be as good as you’re both willing to make it. And I had no reason to preach to them unless they asked me a question.

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      • Marlapaige

        25 November 2021 at 08:40

        Doing the right thing could mean so many things, and not one of them is to stop. Be good to the girlfriend, make sure you’re good with your husband that kind of thing but nothing else

        As far as your mom, you told me before how strong she was, and it was vet Cree in those sentences. Thank you for sharing

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      • kdaddy23

        26 November 2021 at 15:40

        There’s always what social norms says is the right thing and then there’s what everyone interprets that to mean and, yep, there are people who will want to impose their idea of right onto you and because they think they’re right and you aren’t so much.

        But your idea of doing the right thing – and in any situation – says otherwise. My mom was good at telling me stuff and letting me find out whether or not I was doing the right thing; not in her view of it but finding out what was right for me in a given situation.

        Well, until I really did stop listening to a lot of it. It wasn’t that she was wrong but more of a thing where my idea of right things was part of the course set for my life at that point and with the understanding that I could be wrong so whatever she was talking about was redundant… even if she cracked me up doing it.

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      • Marlapaige

        26 November 2021 at 17:24

        Oh, that was the difference. I always still listened. I rarely obeyed or changed my course, but sometimes, despite its redundancy, the general funniness was worth it, as was the occasional “oops. Missed that bit!” Usually, it wasn’t even close to get me to reconsider, but I always prefer to feel like I have most of the information before making a decision. And if there’s something I forget, then, I now have more information that I did before.

        And “doing the right thing” has nothing to do with Joe Schmo down the block. Doing the right thing has to do with you and what your ideas are. Joe Schmo wants to convince you otherwise with every fiber of hisbeing, but the truth is, advice from a loved one which tells you to be something other than you are, isn’t really advice at all. Advice from a loved one which tells you to be EXACTLY who you are, but smarter about it, that’s the right thing.

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      • kdaddy23

        26 November 2021 at 18:41

        It is the right thing because, believe it or not, they’re often right about what they said but, yeah, sometimes we gotta do some stuff to see for ourselves that, say, mom was right… for the most part.

        We maintain and hold true across the world that there is only one right way to do things and it causes problems because we also find out that “right” is whatever that means to us and that might not be in line with what “everyone else”says is right and according to what we do as part of our right to self-determination and with an eye on what everyone else says is right and wrong. In this context, human sexuality is a bump in the road but because of what we collectively say is right and wrong, that minor bump becomes an immovable mountain that we can’t do anything about except to keep preaching to each others about what’s right and wrong…

        And not really giving much thought to the fact that we decide what’s right and wrong because it’s something we do have to find out for ourselves.

        Big mistake to get caught screwing in the park and wrong? Yep, but doing it was… right. Was a great idea until we got caught. Oops. And we might do it again even if it’s illegal but the right way to do it is to not get caught.

        We see the wrongs I the world and we need to correct them… but the issues are too big…

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      • Marlapaige

        27 November 2021 at 15:26

        No issue is too big, if, as you say, you do it right enough in your own way.

        If you’re gonna fuck in a park, don’t get caught.

        If you’re gonna get people to back off, make sure they realize you are there and are going to speak no matter what.

        It’s all the same. Right is right, no matter who says it’s wrong, or why. As long as it feels right, then fight the good fight!

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      • kdaddy23

        27 November 2021 at 16:29

        It’s what we do, isn’t it? There’s a reason why so many bisexuals say that when they have sex with a man or a woman, it feels right. Normal. What’s everyone fussing about and saying that it’s wrong… but we know it is. Puzzling. Confusing. But we eventually get around to defining “right” for ourselves in this and, yeah, let’s not get caught doing it.

        And I’ve noticed that bisexuals in other countries have said the same thing: It just feels right to be bisexual (with or without the sex) and that’s our final answer and we’re sticking to it – lock it in. Although there’s no way to count every bisexual everywhere in the world, you’d think that for those who believe it to be wrong – and our morality says it is – they’d also be smart enough to reason that it can’t be that wrong if there are, in fact, more bisexuals in the world that can be counted and identified.

        One of these things can’t be right… and we figure out that what is right is what we think more than what they think since one of the things a bisexual almost immediate becomes aware is that what everyone else says is right is actually wrong.

        We’re told not to have sex like this… and we do it anyway. Yeah, I heard you when you said don’t do that because it’s wrong… but that’s what you think and, yeah, how about I find out for myself if it’s really wrong or not?

        I don’t even think the world even understands that by telling us not to do this because it’s so terribly wrong, you should have just told us to go ahead and do it because we’re gonna do it… and because you told us not to. And, oh, yeah, that’s right as far as we’re concerned.

        In this and a world-wide thing are the many people you can explain this to and they go, “Yeah, but…” and their “but” is all about the wrongness of it but by saying this – or some version of it – you’re also “admitting” that I’m right about what I said about being bisexual and you’re following up with all those objections because you think it’s right to object and to point out how wrong it is… and like I don’t know that. I chose not to obey which, in this, is a fun thing to do.

        I define what’s right for me even if it’s something “everyone else” says is wrong. I shouldn’t go to a park and fuck someone – it’s illegal and wrong. Didn’t stop me from doing it because it was the right “wrong” thing to do. I could get caught – and I know this – and if I do, well, there’s a price to be paid for doing something wrong. Just the same, it felt right to do and even more so when, after paying my fine, the right thing to do is to not get caught.

        Hmm.

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      • Marlapaige

        27 November 2021 at 19:28

        It’s kind of how they maintain moral superiority.

        They tell you it’s wrong. They convince you it’s wrong. They pass laws saying it’s wrong.

        People who don’t believe it to be wrong suddenly feel the shame and don’t admit that they think it’s not wrong.

        It perpetuates, and suddenly, it seems like the minority are the ones that are hiding in the shadows not to push over the status quo, when in reality, the holders of the status quo aren’t really the majority anyway and need to sit down and shut up.

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      • kdaddy23

        27 November 2021 at 23:16

        The various laws make sense; shit has to be wrong and illegal… doesn’t mean we couldn’t see something as being right, bend a law, break one, etc.. If I run a stop sign but I’m the only car at that intersection, well, that’s wrong according to the law and I know it… but if I don’t get busted, well…

        Some laws are unenforceable but still on the books… which I think is wrong to keep them there… and right if I choose to break one of them. So on and so forth. But the moral majority – what remains of it – is wrong about sexuality and as I keep saying, if they were right, everyone would be straight. But we know the truth.

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      • Marlapaige

        28 November 2021 at 15:39

        The moral majority should never be the arbiters of the law.

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      • kdaddy23

        28 November 2021 at 15:54

        Yet, they are. This… entity has had a grip on everything we do but they’re in panic mode because their grip is loosening; their being the de facto placeholder and keeper of moral rightness is being called into question because, around the world, people are not trying to hear or continue to stay true to a set of moral values that might have made sense centuries ago but they make no sense now and especially where sexuality is concerned.

        Those with moral righteousness has always behaved like it’s their way or no way; they decide what’s right; they make the laws and expect that those in their perceived minority must and will comply… but their “or else” position is toothless; for some and in other countries, the threat of death and eternal damnation is a risk worth taking. It’s why so many people come to the US even though our version of the moral majority is also fighting a losing battle but we’re not summarily executing people for departing from moral rightness – were just fussing and fighting about it and publicly at that.

        Regardless of sexuality, people are saying, “Fuck it and fuck you!” to those morally righteous arbiters of the law. Not all of it is good, mind you and considering how we can just abuse each other but, yeah – if you wanted to have sex in the park and your partner was a woman instead of a man, you can do that. If your relationship is an extended family kind of thing, the moral majority shits themselves over such things because the laws they think they still have an iron control over is rusty and brittle. They might be the arbiters… but we decide what’s right and wrong for ourselves.

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      • Marlapaige

        28 November 2021 at 17:22

        They may have been the arbiters at one point, but their grip is slipping, and there are plenty of people who disagree with them that are willing to step in. And they are.

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      • kdaddy23

        28 November 2021 at 18:38

        Everywhere. And we need to do this but absent the needless violence.

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      • Marlapaige

        28 November 2021 at 22:06

        Exactly! That’s the catch though. How do you fight against the ugly underbelly without flipping a few crocs on their side?

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      • kdaddy23

        29 November 2021 at 00:05

        Carefully, I presume; crocs have nasty dispositions but they can be handled.

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      • Marlapaige

        29 November 2021 at 00:11

        🐊🐊

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